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Poster: Skobud Date: Nov 7, 2012 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

I hear you, but I still disagree. How could you possibly know who really needs help and who does not? You're assuming and generalizing your opinion and presenting it as fact. You can't have it both ways.

We disagree and that’s fine, but when you promote health care for only those who can pay - survival of the fittest - you are promoting Social Darwinism.

Superior (ability to pay) defeats inferior (those who cannot afford it). Your stance is absolutely Darwinist insofar as what you have posted in this thread.

I don't pretend to have the answer. I just choose to believe there are very smart people working on these issues facing us. Conspiracy theories and what not just add to the insane political climate. The country is as polarized as it has ever been in my lifetime, and I’m 43. I think you will see more good come out of this healthcare issue than you might think. The more divisive we are the less we get done. I think that's exactly why we are where we are, as a country, on a fundamental level.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Nov 8, 2012 5:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

I hear you, but I still disagree. How could you possibly know who really needs help and who does not? You're assuming and generalizing your opinion and presenting it as fact. You can't have it both ways.


So, what you are saying is that government knows better than me how to best use my money? And, make no mistake. It is my money. and yours. and his, and his, and hers and....
It is not the government's money. But, they certainly act is if it is.
Please tell me that you are not on board with letting government decide the best way to spend our money. Please tell me that you agree with me that we should be free to decide the best use of "our" money. Please tell me that you agree that it is "our" money and not the government's money.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Nov 8, 2012 5:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

No I dont agree. Your argument makes no sense to me. We have elections so we can vote for the people who, among many other things, decide how best to spend tax dollars.

I hate to break it to ya, but once taxes are taken out of your check it aint your money anymore. It absolutely is the government's money. We put it in, and elected them to allocate it.

The people have spoken man, that's all there is to it. On some level I know you understand this. You are just going to have to cope with the fact that you cannot control how tax dollars are spent. It's part of living in a democracy.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Nov 8, 2012 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

ok. We will just have to agree to disagree.
If we can't even agree on the basic premise that it is our money that the government is spending and not the government's money, and that as citizens we have a right to expect that the government only spend that money on things that the constitution says they can spend it on, there probably isn't much we are going to agree on politically. So, before this ends up in a cat fight (as political disagreements often do), lets just end here and agree to disagree.

Here is something i think we can both agree on....
A tasty TDIH compliments of Ken and Judy Lee.

http://archive.org/details/gd1970-11-08.aud.lee.pcrp.26975.shnf

Peace

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 8, 2012 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

It's our money either way. As it is, hospitals do not turn away the uninsured for urgent care. Who pays for that? All of us.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 8, 2012 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Actually it's not money. All money in the money supply has been loaned into existence in the form of sovereign debt.

But you knew I was going to say that and it doesn't have anything to do with your conversation so I'll shut up and withdraw.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Nov 8, 2012 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Agreed. No worries man.